Living Armstrongism: PCG Confused About the Kurds in Turkey

Monday, November 30, 2015

PCG Confused About the Kurds in Turkey

Back on July 27, 2015 PCG's Richard Palmer made the following tweet about Turkey and the Kurds.

Can we kick Turkey out of NATO please? For once I don't care about strategic importance etc. Their repeated persecution of Kurds is appaling
— Richard Palmer (@R_G_Palmer) July 27, 2015

While Palmer expresses sympathy for the Kurds within Turkey it should be stated that this contradicts what PCG's Joel Hilliker said about the Kurds in Turkey back in 1997.

Back then Hilliker fear mongered about the Kurds and vilified the Kurdish PKK as one of several alleged "Islamic forces" threatening Turkey. This fact may be seen in a previous post.

In addition, the U.S.’s support for Turkey appears somewhat unstable, as America seems unwilling to offend Greece. By indirectly helping Greece, America is in effect also helping Syria, Iran, and Russia—and even the PKK [Kurdistan Workers' Party] forces within Turkey. If the trend continues, these Islamic forces without and within her borders might take over. (Joel Hilliker, Turkey: An Act of Revenge, December 1997, p. 2.)

Is it accurate to call the PKK as one of several "Islamic forces" that "might take over" Turkey? I wrote the following in that post:

Also the Kurdistan Workers' Party is a far left, secular organization. Just look at the name, "Workers' Party." How much more left wing can you get? At the time the PKK had been waging an armed insurgency against the Turkish government since 1984. Later [Sic. I now suspect this happened before 1997] NATO listed the PKK as a terrorist organization because of its armed insurgency against the Turkish government. So much for the United States supposedly "helping" the PKK as Hilliker alleged here.

So what is going on? How should PCG members view the Kurds in Turkey?

Should PCG followers sympathize with Kurds in Turkey like Palmer?

Or should PCG followers view Kurds in Turkey negatively like Hilliker?

PCG cannot be right both times.

(Incidentally Richard Palmer once minimized the Srebrenica massacre in which about 8000 Bosnians were murdered as "a crime of passion".)

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Fall of Berlin Wall NOT Proof HWA was Right

It is often asserted that the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 proved that HWA was right and he really did see the future.

This of course is nonsense. Herbert W. Armstrong said that Christ would return within twenty years in his book Mystery of the Ages. (PCG has since deleted those words so someone in there knows HWA spoke nonsense.) How convenient for them to forget this.

Also Herbert W. Armstrong never said the Soviet Union would collapse. He thought it would survive intact until a few years after Christ's return. It shows how biased some many in the COGs are that they never seem to notice this. This inconvenient truth is just tossed into the memory hole.

It is true that HWA said that some Eastern European states would break away from Moscow's orbit and join the European Empire he said would arise at any moment. But he never talked of the Soviet Union collapsing. He did not teach that. Also he portrayed the rise of the European Empire to be far quicker then what has actually happened. In Mystery of the Ages Christ was supposed to return by 2005 at the most.

So assertions that the fall of the Berlin Wall somehow prove that HWA was right is just complete nonsense spread by people who, for whatever reason, are still in denial that HWA was a false prophet who merely talked out of his own "human reasoning".

Truth about Roderick C. Meredith

What sort of man is he? A man who could say things like this.

"Mr. Armstrong has reminded us again that we are to disfellowship any members who attend GTA's [Garner Ted Armstrong's] campaigns, church services or other meetings. Some of our weaker members apparently do not realize that this man is in direct rebellion against God and His government! We must not allow them, or ourselves, to rationalize about this matter, to try to "help the underdog," or in any other way lend support to one whose gross immorality, whose long standing "play acting" and hypocrisy, and whose direct insubordination to the Government of God has long been and is now a source of confusion and DIVISION among God's people. So, as per Mr. Armstrong's instruction, I charge and exhort every one of you faithful ministers of the living Christ to explain this in no uncertain terms to your members, to warn them about this cause of division and then to disfellowship any who consort with GTA or any of his fellows." (Roderick C. Meredith, Pastor's Report, May 21, 1979, pp. 1-2.)

See here for this statement's context.

David Robinson on Roderick C. Meredith

WCG minister David Robinson had this to say about Roderick C. Meredith in a letter he wrote to him on September 19, 1979.

"During the ten years I have been an employee of the Worldwide Church, you have been poorly spoken of by most of the ministers and employees I have known. I vividly remember the absolute unbounded glee that was openly expressed by a good number of respected men in the church when you were first "shanghaied." [In 1972.] I could begin by naming names, which I am sure would shock you. I was one of the few who stood, where possible, for you. Your tenure as superintendent of ministers, as I believe the office was then called, was looked on as nightmarish. While you held office during the years of growth, most of those whom I know gave you very little credit for that growth. Almost everyone whom I know, whether they be former friends of yours, or continuing foes, recalls insensitive and terrible things you have done. Without exception, at least among my acquaintances, they all credit you with an unbridled lust for power and list you as one who is willing to pay the price of gaining that power, no matter what. I have, through many of the last few years, believed you had principles you would not violate. Many a man of experience in the church assured me of my error. Events have proven me wrong and them right. Mr. Armstrong has himself been widely quoted as saying of you that you were so righteous that you were so "righteous you were unrighteous." " (David Robinson, Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web, Chapter 16, p. 207.)

Of course it is impossible for me to personally verify these assertions but people deserve to know what this knowledgeable man had to say about him.

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PCG Confused About the Kurds in Turkey

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